This number is from annual report 2021 on conscientious objection to military service, published by the European Bureau for Conscientious Objection. Number of conscientious objectors to military service in our country who conducted alternative service before Russian invasion was 1,659. You know, there are a lot of people pursuing nonviolent way of life in Ukraine. And the army, invading army, shooted at them. And, you know, I would tribute - I am thankful to all courageous people who resist nonviolently to war and warmongering, those people who protested against the Russian occupation of Ukrainian city of Kherson. But we see that Russian people, many of them, are against this war. And now we see that instead of Biden, Zelensky, Putin, Xi Jinping sit at one negotiation table, discuss how to transform this world for better, to remove any hegemony and to establish harmony - instead of that, we have this politics of threats from United States to Russia, from United States to China, these demands of warmongering Ukrainian civil society to establish this no-fly zone.Īnd by the way, it is incredible hatred towards Russian in Ukraine, and this hatred is spreading around the world, not only to warmongering regime but for Russian people, too. And the whole problem is that a peaceful solution on that time, internationally approved by United Nations Security Council, was not complied with. And these ceasefire violations were escalated before Russian invasion, this illegal Russian invasion to Ukraine. And then, after a major battle, after conclusion of peace deal, Minsk agreements, which both sides are not complied with, and we see objective reports of OSCE about ceasefire violations on both sides. So, 2014, it was, of course, a year of starting this violent conflict between - from the start, between government and between separatists. Expansion of NATO was previous to violent power grabs in Kyiv by - sponsored by the West, Ukrainian nationalists in 2014 and violent power grabs in Crimea and Donbas by Russian nationalists and Russian military forces the same year. It has two tracks: a conflict between the West and the East and conflict between Russia and Ukraine. On the contrary, this conflict is beyond Ukraine. And, you know, United States is not a noninvolvement party of this conflict. ![]() And what we need is not escalation of conflict with more weapons, more sanctions, more hatred toward Russia and China, but, of course, instead of that, we needed comprehensive peace talks. Of course, a no-fly zone is a militarized response to current crisis. YURII SHELIAZHENKO: Thank you, Amy, and greetings to all peace-loving people around the world. Can you talk about what’s happening now and what you’re calling for? And I’m particularly interested, for example, in what seems to be an almost unanimous call for a no-fly zone so Russia can’t pummel the cities, but the West is deeply concerned that enforcing a no-fly zone, meaning shooting down Russian planes, will lead to a nuclear war, and what your position is on this. ![]() ![]() Yurii, welcome back to Democracy Now! You are still in Kyiv. He’s been closely following reports from the occupied southern Ukraine city of Kherson, where Russian forces used stun grenades and machine gun fire to disperse a crowd of hundreds of people who gathered Monday to protest the Russian occupation. Yurii is also a member of the board of directors at World BEYOND War and a research associate at KROK University in Kyiv, Ukraine. He’s the executive secretary of the Ukrainian Pacifist Movement and a board member of the European Bureau for Conscientious Objection. We end today’s show in Kyiv, Ukraine, where we’re joined by Yurii Sheliazhenko. AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now! I’m Amy Goodman, with Juan González.
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